| Richard (Rick) Cullwell is currently director of sales and marketing 
        for Macurco, 
        Inc. and has been with the company 8 ½ years.  The company has grown 
        considerably during that time. Marcurco, located in Englewood, Colorado, is a privately held 
        company, that was established in 1972 as a manufacturer of gas detection 
        and ventilation control systems. 
 EXPO1000 -  I’m really not sure what gas 
        detection and ventilation control systems are.  Could you give me a little 
        background?  
        RICK - Marcurco manufactures gas detection products for several 
          different markets – the fire and security market, the HVAC market, the 
          parking garage industry, and others.  These products are for all different 
          types of gases including carbon monoxide (CO), heating gases (natural, 
          methane, propane, LP) , nitrogen dioxide, refrigerants, hydrogen, and 
          ammonia. EXPO1000 -  Why would I need such a system?  
        RICK -  Most of the people we talk to in the parking garage industry 
          are interested in carbon monoxide and nitrogen dioxide. Both OSHA and 
          uniform building codes mandate that you keep both of these gases below 
          certain levels. Both these standards mandate that a long-term exposure 
          limit for carbon monoxide at 50 parts per million over an eight hour 
          period, for example. In order to comply, most people run their fans 
          24 hours a day, which can become very expensive when you are looking 
          at large fans. Macurco manufactures the control systems that 
          run the fans only when they are required, thus saving the energy needed 
          to run the fans continuously. EXPO1000 -  So the fans are controlled by 
        the level of the detected gases?  
        RICK -  Yes, there is no reason to run a fan at 3 in the morning 
          when there are no cars driving in the garage and the carbon monoxide 
          is at a safe level.  Macurco’s controllers are designed to activate 
          the fans when set levels of CO are reached.   Another gas to be aware 
          of in a parking facility is nitrogen dioxide, a component of diesel 
          fuel. Several states are mandating safe nitrogen dioxide levels. The 
          OSHA limit for nitrogen dioxide is 5 parts per million over an 8 hour 
          period.  EXPO1000 -  Tell me a little about how the 
        detectors are installed in the parking facilities.  
        RICK - The installation is based on the size of the facility.  
          We recommend a detector for every 5000 square feet, that’s about a 73-foot 
          center between units.  Generally we suggest mounting the detectors at 
          breathing level or a little higher than breathing level because it is 
          a life safety device and you worry about the level of carbon monoxide 
          and nitrogen dioxide people are breathing.   EXPO1000 -  Are there other factors to consider 
        in placement or configuration of the detectors?  
        RICK - Yes, another factor to take into consideration is airflow.  
          Restricted airflow areas - corridors, closed areas, and so forth - may 
          require additional detectors. EXPO1000 -  Does you company come in and 
        help with the requirements surveys?  
        RICK -   Actually no. We sell almost 100% through distribution. 
          HVAC contractors and parking consultants are usually the people that 
          specify our products.   Macurco does however have a full technical 
          support staff to assist and support both engineers and contractors when 
          specifying our products. Macurco is a small company and we haven’t forgotten what customer 
          service is. No matter who calls – whether it’s a facility manager, contractor, 
          or distributor. We assist with everything from specifications for the 
          equipment and installation. EXPO1000 -  Generally, what is the cost of 
        the system and the return or payback on the investment?  
        RICK - If you take a case study we did a short while back using 
          a 50,000 square-foot parking garage, the cost of our products in the 
          garage was somewhere between $4,000 to $5,000.  The study reported that 
          the payback was between four to five months. The energy savings came 
          from the electricity conserved by controlling the exhaust fans.  Substantial 
          additional savings come in heated facilities. EXPO1000 -  Did the $4,000 to $5,000 include 
        the installation of the detectors?  
        RICK - No, that number was just the cost of the products from 
          us.  The cost including installation will run approximately the same. 
          Therefore the total cost of the equipment and installation ran about 
          $6,000 to $8,000. EXPO1000 -  You must have quite a variety 
        of solutions?  
        RICK - Yes, we have everything from small stand-alone systems 
          to more integrated and complex control units.  Macurco’s controllers 
          for the parking industry range from a stand-alone CO controller with 
          one fan control relay for output to a multi-zone control system capable 
          of detecting several types of gases and controlling multiple fans. EXPO1000 -   Are there other savings, such 
        as insurance?  
        RICK - Though we do get inquiries from insurance companies from 
          time to time I am currently unaware of any insurance company that offers 
          discounts based upon installing our type of products.  The main reason 
          these devices are used are for human safety and cost savings. EXPO1000 -   Can our visitors get additional 
        information?  
        RICK - Macurco’s web site has a good deal of information including 
          a selection guide to help with the type of product required as well 
          as complete data sheets and operating instructions for all products.  
          There is also a white paper that describes the energy savings. EXPO1000 -  Could a garage operator have 
        its heatinig and air conditioning contractor get in touch with you?  
        RICK - Yes, we have a full technical staff on hand from 8:00 
          AM until 4:00 PM Mountain Time as well as an engineer who can help with 
          specifications. EXPO1000 -   Thank you very much for your 
        time, I think that our visitors need to know about this type of energy 
        saving and safety products.  
        RICK -  One of the reasons we are seeing an increase in our 
          business in the last few years is that people are becoming more interested 
          in energy savings. By the way, our systems are not used only in the parking garage industry.  
          The fire and burglar alarm industries also use our systems in offices, 
          chemical storage, and warehouses.  EXPO1000 -  Thanks again.  We  hope our visitors can gain some insight and savings by looking into your 
        products.  
         
          
          
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